No new light. Every JW knows that the encouragement to greet people doesn't extend to filthy exjw scumbags, unless explicitly stated.
This article is doublespeak at it's finest.
Anders Andersen
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New light
by poopie injune watchtower on greeting are they now trying stealthily to change shunning..
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Oh Boy! Beards are "stumbling blocks" again ... from Stephen Lett
by freddo inso this week's midweek meeting video about stumbling others has lett spouting and gurning rubbish again.. if you can't take the whole 9 minutes go from 5:50 to get the context and 6:45 for the "beard" mention.. https://youtu.be/ezv1ici5cwo.
oh, well - at least they shoot themselves in the foot with this doublespeak.
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Is he interested?
by Sunnybear ini met a wonderful man on match.com several months ago.
on our first date, there was amazing chemistry and we ended up having sex.
it was not planned, it just happened.
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I told him I wanted to end it and he refused.
Doesn't this mean he really only cares about him, not really about your feelings?
If you want to end it, you can. That's your decision. You don't need his permission. He has absolutely no say in that. Just as you can't force him to stay with you if he doesn't want to.
Does he disregard your input and opinion in other things as well?
From the rest of what you write it's clear he doesn't really want you to be part of his life long term. Believe him when he says it isn't gonna work out long term.
The man is telling you he won't be with you for long. He just want a sexual friendship with no commitment. He told you. Believe what he told you.
Now if you are fine being friends with benefits for as long as it lasts, by all means have fun.
If you're not fine with that, leave. It's your decision, and your decision only.
Don't stick around to see if you can change his mind, you can't. Believe what the man told you.
The above is all just about human interaction. In this case, it gets even worse because there's a cult involved. If you are anything less than absolutely sure that both you and him want to be committed to each other for a long time, leave.
Yes, that hurts. But it's better than wasting your precious time with someone who doesn't want to be committed to you if that is what you desire.
Good luck!
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Marriage Proposal in the Kingdom Hall
by Listener injust when you think you've seen it all comes another interesting use of a kingdom hall.a young man serenades his girlfriend with a song (possibly a watchtower song) from the stage through a microphone and backed by recorded music.
then he steps off the stage and gets down on one knee and proposes as he pulls out a ring from his coat pocket.
the large projector screen flashes up behind them with a picture of a sapphire and diamond ring.cameras capture the joyous moment as she accepts and they lock together in a loving hug.
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If the CO gets wind of this every elder and MS involved in this will be reprimanded and possibly demoted.
Watchtower rules officially don't even allow for social coffee in the KH after the meeting.
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Brazen Conduct???
by Vanderhoven7 inhow is brazen conduct defined by the elders?
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do you know of any cases where it has been improperly used against the r&f...you-know, like squeezing the toothpaste tube the wrong way is sometimes touted as mental cruelty?
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Anders Andersen
“brazen conduct” describes acts that reflect an attitude that betrays disrespect, disregard, or even contempt for divine standards, laws, and authority. Therefore, two elements are involved in brazen conduct: (1) The conduct itself is a serious violation of Jehovah’s laws, and (2) the attitude of the wrongdoer toward God’s laws is disrespectful, insolent.—w06
Though this is not an exhaustive list, brazen conduct may be involved in the following if the wrongdoer has an insolent, contemptuous attitude made evident by a practice of these things:
- Willful, continued, unnecessary association with disfellowshipped nonrelatives despite repeated counsel.—Matt. 18:17b; 1 Cor. 5:11, 13; 2 John 10, 11; w81 9/15 pp. 25-26. 60 “Shepherd the Flock of God”—1 Peter 5:2
- Child sexual abuse: This would include fondling of breasts, an explicitly immoral proposal, showing pornography to a child, voyeurism, indecent exposure, and so forth.
- Continuing to date or pursue a romantic relationship with a person though not legally or Scripturally free to marry, despite repeated counsel and generally after a warning talk to the congregation.—Gal.
That is the official definition. Basically it involves ignoring the elders. They don't like that. You'll be kicked out. Because ignoring elders is worse than raping children then pretending you're sorry.
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Anders Andersen
Congratulations Stan! Happy Birthday to you!
Isn't 70 the number for complete perfection? ;-)
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Solicitors Visit Update
by pale.emperor inin case you're not aware of my last two threads:.
the situation that arose in that my mother has been having secret access to my daughter and refusing to tell me how she is: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here.
the build up to my solicitors visit: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6284953638666240/solicitors-appontment-tomorrow-advice-appreciated.
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Anders Andersen
Very good. Thank you very much for sharing!
I'll drink one tonight to celebrate for you ;-)
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen intoday a government meeting re.
child abuse & jw was held.
see this post.
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Anders Andersen
They are begging for money. And the first persons they plant to hire aren’t child abuse specialists, not scientists, not psychologists, but LAWYERS, plural, for unstated and ambiguous reasons.
Seems like you're describing Watchtower again ;-)
More serioislt, do you think Watchtower child abuse policies are flawless, or are they flawed?
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Solicitors Appontment Tomorrow - Advice Appreciated
by pale.emperor infollowing up on this thread: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here?page=3#!#5179106934128640.
im seeing my solicitor tomorrow to see about getting an order in place making sure any contact my daughter has with my jw family goes through me and not my ex-wife.. explained the situation briefly to the lawyer, she was asking more and more about why should i be concerned if a jw had access to my child.. i mentioned the blood issue, the shunning, the inappropriate pictures of armageddon in books/mags etc.
do you think i should bring in watchtower literature to show them what i mean?
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You would never accept less than a package deal if they wanted to come over to your place to see her, and you wouldn't drop her off and turn tail and run in shame either. Fuck that.
I second that.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen intoday a government meeting re.
child abuse & jw was held.
see this post.
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All Netherlands has to do make mandatory reporting law, country wide.
Don't you think it's strange that God's supposedly clean people with the highest standard of morality of all needs worldly law makers to tell them crimes should be reported to the police, and children need to be protected from abuse?
If JW were really gods people they'd be an example for the world instead of the other way around.